Ziptar 2002-12-26 02:24
Can't get the Voodoo3 to work after I install the the ATI Drivers. In device Manager the voodoo3 has a ! and the error "This Device failed to Start".
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ferrari 2002-12-26 02:55
zipstar, thanks for replying to my prior post. That is interesting. So your 9700 pro actually still works even after you install the v3 in the pci slot? because in my case, the 9700 would give a code 12 (not enough resource needing to disable another device) error inside winxp. The S3 card does work, but the 9700 is disabled.
But, let me say it again, in your case, your 9700 actually still works fine in winxp, but the v3 is disabled? Seems like your situation is reversed from mine? Just wondering if it's the way that the mobo/bios prioritize resource allocation.
You did try to set in your bios to use pci instead of AGP as your boot up graphic device right? In my case, it doesn't matter if i set pci or agp as my boot gfx device, the pci card somehow always get to be the display device at boot up. Maybe that's why 9700 is giving me this not enough resource error in winxp. I have tried to post in several other forums but haven't gotten any answer back. I guess people are either ignoring me or they don't seem to think that using 3+ monitors is cool. Anyway, let me know how things go.
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Ziptar 2002-12-26 03:46
Yes, the 9700 pro works but the Voodoo does not. I did try to set PCI as primary in the BIOS. that is the weird thing. The Voodoo3 would work fine and boot XP up until the ATI drivers loaded. Then the Voodoo quit working and the 9700 takes over...
I need a second card to run Dual Monitors because the All in Wonder Radeon Pro only has 1 DVI connector. There HAS to be a way to get additional PCI cards to work with a 9700..
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ferrari 2002-12-26 07:52
Hmm, that's interesting because in your case, the AIW is a single head card. In my case, i was trying another pci card with a reg 9700 which is dual head. I have one suggestion which may or may not work, but could be worth it. If you are near best buy, see if you can get a pci radeon 7000 or 7500 (they are dual head) and try it out. they use the same catalyst driver and they might work. If they do, then you have triple monitor support ;).
Either way, ATI is definitely not friendly toward using additional pci gfx card i guess. ;(, I had to revert back to using my gef3ti200 so i can use my other ati 7000 to drive 3 monitors.
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Overlord 2002-12-26 17:05
What operating system are you running?
Win98/Me cannot handle more than 512mb of ram (counting the video ram). I recently installed 1GB of ram on my system (running WinMe)and it started Windows okay but, as soon as I installed the drivers for the video card (with 128mb ram) my system would lock up. This condition seems to produce different symptoms on different systems.
Hope this helps.
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ferrari 2002-12-26 18:19
overlord, iam running xp sp1 and i believe zipstar is running at least xp too. anyway, we don't have a problem with running 9700 by itself. We are trying to find a way to run 9700 with another pci gfx card. In my case, i like to be able to do that so i can drive 3+ monitors at once. in zipstar case, he is just trying to even get 2 monitors since aiw9700 only has one head instead of two in the reg 9700.
Sorry to get frustrated on this. but i just can't f***king believe how many times i posted this question on countless other forums and still got no answer so far. i can't believe not many people are looking into this. Is it too excessive for me to ask for being able to use more than 2 monitors at once???
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Ziptar 2002-12-27 06:48
I got the AIW9700PRO working with a PCI Card. Last night I stopped by CompUSA and picked up an ATI Radeon 7000 32MB PCI ($49 w/ $10 Rebate). I did a fresh install of XP with just the 7000 installed. I downloaded the Catalyst 2.5 drivers, Shut down, installed AIW9700Pro. Restarted, installed ATI Drivers and rebooted. When XP Restarted, the 7000 automatically updated to the Catalyst 2.5 Drivers and I could use my 2nd Monitor. I didn't try the Catalyst 3's as they are not Unified (9700 and 7000 are sepearte downloads.)
Looks like the only way to use an extra PCI video Card is to use an ATI product.
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ferrari 2002-12-27 11:14
zipstar, congratulation. glad you got it to work in the end. btw, was that 7000 a single head or dualhead? I have a 7000 pci also, but it is 64 meg and is a dual head.
also did you have to set your bios to use the pci card as the boot gfx card?
well, i still havn't had a chance since last wkend to mess around with things again. I think i am going to do some more experiments this wkend. i might get a gef2 pci just to try it out and see what happen. I dont think it will work due to the fact that no matter what i set in my bios as the boot up device, the pci card will always end up being used in the booting process.
wish me luck ;)...
In search of the ever elusive triple + display
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Ziptar 2002-12-27 12:32
Mine is a single head. The AGP is set as the boot Graphics card.
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ferrari 2002-12-28 05:12
well, i finally got triple display going. In the most unexpected way though. there is a little known beta w2k driver for voodoo2 that allows you to use it as a limited display card without using the loop thr cable. res is limited to 1024x768 at 16 bits and 75hz. more details in the articles section under multi mon resource. So now i can use it with my 9700 pro because the v2 card uses so little resource. however, the driver is extremely inefficient. I am getting 10% of overhead cpu use ;(.
Also last nite, was playing nfs hot pursuit 2 with the 9700 pro and the v2 all plugged in. The default powerpack that came with the system finally say "f***" and blew itself. after removal, found it to be a 157 watt psu. can't believe i actually used my 9700 pro for a few wks with that kind of power ;). anyway, now i got a proper 300 watt psu replacement.
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Randell 2002-12-31 10:54
Actually, I had the 9700 Pro working with TWO Geforce4 440 MX (or something like that, 460, 440...).
I ended up returning them to CompUSA because I didn't need them.
I was running WinXP SP1
Randell
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Randell 2002-12-31 10:55
Sorry, didn't realize you had the AIW, I just have the regular 9700 pro
Randell
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ferrari 2003-01-01 15:38
Hmm i guess it's just me and my mobo or bios that's preventing me from using other pci gfx card. well, guess i will have to wait till i can get another computer to try it.
I am just wondering why i haven't seen more people using 9700 with other cards to display 3+ monitors at once.
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ferrari 2003-01-01 15:39
btw, my 9700 is a 9700 pro and not a aiw.
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m0rph 2003-01-05 07:44
Hey ferrari, this is straight from ATI's FAQ (on their homepage):
Q12: Can I use a PCI graphics card or my integrated video, in the same system as my dual display RADEON™ 9700 and/or RADEON™ 9500 Series graphics card, to support three or more displays?
A12: ATI does not support the use of an additional PCI graphic card or integrated video in a system with the RADEON™ 9700 or RADEON™ 9500 Series to run three or more displays. These products do support the use of two independent displays, from a single card, under the Windows® XP, Windows® 2000, and Windows® ME operating systems.
WTH??!! I was about to run and upgrade to a 9500 Pro today.... but now, I have to figure out if I can live with only 2 displays (what a WEAK solution!). :-( Looks like Nvidia might be my only option for now.... but their days may be numbered....
- m0rph :-D
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Nick Spencer 2003-01-07 00:03
Ziptar, do you have a TV window working when you are running multi-window?
Nick
ABIT KR7A w/ Athlon XP 1900+
ATI AIW 8500DV AGP
ATI 7500 PCI dual port (Ho ho ho...)
Waiting on an adapter for the third screen...
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Ziptar 2003-01-08 03:17
Yes, TV app works fine however it can't be moved from the primary card (the controls for it can though). I am using ATI's MMC 8.0 and the TV in a Browser Function works on both monitors.
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Ziptar 2003-01-08 03:26
I just wanted to add that I am using the catalyst 2.5 drivers and MM 8.0 and to get it all working I had to leave the 7000 out of the system install the drivers and MMC. I ran TV and configured it made sure it worked then I shutdown and added the 7000. When XP restarted it loaded the cat 2.5 drivers for the 7000.
If I left the 7000 in the system and installed MMC the TV app would not install.
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ferrari 2003-01-09 17:08
mOrph, your experience might be better than mine. I think it might just be my mobo or bios that's preventing me from doing what i am trying to do. dont worry about what ati says. you gotta experiment. the best thing is if you can use 9500 with a gef4mx dualhead pci. if you can do that, then you can have up to 4 displays at once. ;) good luck
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chris keleshian 2003-03-02 19:58
ziptar, what happens with the catalyst 3.1 drivers? Is there a way to get the 9700 to use those and the 7000 to use the 2.5's? Not using the latest drivers seems like a poor choice.
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